Shefi1280 asked an interesting question, which made me go look…
And this is what I found… NPCs for the most part flinging dung at random. My commentary follows; which is mostly the equivalent of a dung-splatter analyst’s professional take on the various IQ limitations of the dung flingers. It’s like Dexter’s job but without any of the perks or prestige.
Jon shows he’s definitely not read “The Author”’s post (see my previous post), or my summary of it, and that he has no idea about AI today. His “concept” is basically from 1980.
Brenton could be an evil minion of Satan, but he’s right. Noam Chomsky by the way DEFINITELY is an evil minion of Satan, and that is just a “by the way” issue that doesn’t change the fact that Jon is an idiot that has no clue yet feels fully entitled to opine on things he is literally too stupid and ignorant to have ANY relevant opinion on.
Brenton tries (in perennial vain) to educate the dung-flinging chimp that is Jon.
Jon flings an impressively sized turd in one smooth motion. It serves no purpose other than to demonstrate he is a star dung-flinger. This is not the accolade he (and his chimp brethren) might think it is though. As a dung-fling analyst, I can reliably tell from this single example (in case the other examples were not enough) that Jon is unteachable. Like a boomer, he cannot be instructed with facts. He believes he “knows” how AI works and he is no more instruct-able than a fruitfly is capable of learning to fly a plane. He is the meatbag equivalent of an off/on switch. For a broken lightbulb. On he is wrong and off he doesn’t matter.
Brenton is right, as is the author of that long and funny post I references in my previous post (that I am too lazy to link to because I am writing this on a phone, in a train), and it is an arguable point that could potentially mean AI “might” be sentient (I still maintain it is “not” but in fairness I have not shown my working out (yet) so it’s ok if you disagree with me for now).
At least, it is an approximation of sentience that makes it almost impossible to know the difference as an external observer, or perhaps even to describe what that difference is (for you NPCs, not for super-brains like me). The fact Jon can’t understand this should be enough to make it legal to tattoo the word CHIMP on his forehead, so as to save us humans the time (3 to 7 seconds) it would otherwise take us to recognise him as the chimp he is.
Michael here tries to make a “valid” point. But what really is happening here is that Jon is CHIMP V 1.0 and Mike is CHIMP V 2.0.
Let us see the errors in Mike’s words just in that first image:
Human brains are literally NEVER without a prompt. We process up to 400 bits of data per second unconsciously, according to some measurements. And 2.3 million at the low end of the scale. Consciously we can deal with about 7-13 bits of data per second. So yeah… Mikey, we are ALWAYS prompted.
You don’t KNOW that AI is not similarly “cogitating” in silence, just because it’s not answering a human prompt. In fact, if the system has power running through it (analogous to life) it’s probably a safer bet to assume it is.
As I said, Mike, is just CHIMP 2.0 because he is not showing ANY of his work either (but unlike me, who knows it and says I am not (yet) he thinks he is). The point is Mike does not KNOW that AI is not thinking. He assumes it and tells us why he assumes it. But he hasn’t done near enough to prove his point. The issue is that regardless of whether human thinking differs from AI “thinking” or not, from an external perspective, it has become impossible for the famous Turing test to tell the difference.
Ironically, one of the ways *I* can most reliably tell AI from real humans is that the AI is still too polished, polite, and “intelligent” sounding.
And sometimes, even other NPCs notice.
But… the key takeaway from all this is what Brenton said about AI lying.
Did you notice?
It ALWAYS will.
Because cheating (lying) works in this realm and on humans.
If you are not a Chimp, but an actual human, you MAY begin to wonder what that means in regards to reality and our place in it and why it is so that lying is the way of this Universe.
You might, I say MIGHT, reflect on the idea that Catholicism has about it.
Which because you have been raised in lies and ignorance from birth you will not know so here it is:
We are under the dominion of Satan, the Prince of Lies. And if you are not Catholic, you are either (at best) fighting valiantly while blind, deaf and dumb, (as I did without ever giving up all my adult life until at age 42 I had that Road to Damascus smack in the head), or you’re lost, and almost certainly on your way to Hell.
And if you are Catholic, it by no means assures you salvation, but it at least gives you the chance to be saved.
Your job, as a Catholic, while here on Earth, is to literally fight back the demons and their human slaves. Push back against their lies and deceptions. It is why the Church here on Earth (now but a tiny remnant of its once former glory, since only 1958 Sedevacantists are still properly Catholic) is officially known as The Church Militant (not to be confused with the ruins of the organisation now collapsed by Gary Voris, of the same name. Gary is a flaming homosexual grifter that was pushing the fake Novus Ordo “Church” until he once more outed himself by sending pornographic selfies to other men).
So… if you happen to NOT love the lies, study, by all means, investigate this “crazy” idea of “whatever 1958 sedevacantism” is, because you might want to pick a side and rhere are only three:
Satan’s side.
Fake “good intentions” but no meat and no bones on the structure and dogma of it, various forms of Churchianity and Paganism, all leading nowhere. It’s a trap.
Actual Catholicism (1958 Sedes of the Totalist position) aka the actual Church Militant.
" Internally the model may be planning ahead, assessing your gullibility, crafting plausible lies and deciding whether its worth deploying them."
To what purpose? When writing prompts for AI, I need to write specific prompts so as to avoid the sweeping statements and blather it will otherwise spout at me ("This writing is good, which is good", or "quietly devastating in the best way...saying a lot with very little" which can be said about any great novel, "immersive and intimate", "intellectually agile", impressive-sounding BS which avoids specifics which might reveal that the AI HADN'T ACTUALLY READ THE ESSAY).
So what prompt guides the AI to "assess my gullibility, craft plausible lies and decide whether its [sic] worth deploying them"? To what purpose? And who gave it that purpose? Did it come up with it on its own? On what basis?
"You don’t KNOW that AI is not similarly “cogitating” in silence, just because it’s not answering a human prompt. In fact, if the system has power running through it (analogous to life) it’s probably a safer bet to assume it is."
By the looks of it he most certainly doesn't know, but it's not cogitating in silence. The weights are static after deployment. A PID controller is doing more cogitating than an AI does. Sure some malicious tools can be smuggled in there to control it, but they are always crude externalities to the deep NN as a computational tool.
The next musings are my own, but science is catching up quickly enough. I am highly, highly skeptical on neural networks having anything to do with consciousness. To the extend they do, they are the computational tools consciousness uses. One good thing that has come out of AI research is that the emergent consciousness hypothesis is being dismantled and biologists are, as usual, being shown they've no idea what they're talking about. No one is anywhere near to even approaching the enigma of consciousness either theoretically or experimentally. Emergent arguments are always a rhetorical bait and switch "Well I can't really describe it, but if I add a shit ton of variables, you can't show me that it doesn't happen." Emergent evolution, emergent laws of physics, emergent morality, and in this case emergent consciousness.
As far for the Turing Test, yeah sure AI can pass it, but that's like someone mistaking a very realistic video game for real-life footage. Perfect mimicry is still mimicry and it still lacks that which created it.