Thanks. It’s the usual plausible deniability via astral travel, etc, designed to (as usual) release some information while also letting it be possible to ridicule the whole concept.
astral travel… Christopher Gardner had some “woah!” things to say about the sarcophagi in the Egypt Pyramids on a recent Owen Benjamin livestream, you and readers might find interesting. (starting around 46m 30s) https://rumble.com/v73s1b2-owen-benjamin-live.html?start=2787
Yeaaahh, no thanks. A guy who drinks his own piss and a blasphemous, fake/grifter farmer are not what I would consider reliable on anything, much less anything that requires rigorous logic and objectivity, you know, like actual science.
TL;DL. Sarcophagi are not (and never were) tombs: they were isolation tanks, built over lakes of structured water, to allow travel (probably not physical) to distant stars. Is Gardner's contention — based on pattern recognition and intuition/inspired guesswork, AFAICT. I'm pretty sure I read something like this years ago, so Gardner's not the first.
Kurgan has a discussion of the Pyramids and the sarcophagi in "The Face On Mars."
One direct similarity in approach between Vox's takedown of TENS and your work in Face on Mars was the number crunching you did on the Egyptian pyramids in chapter one, or early in the book.
When you literally "did the math" on the construction of the pyramids -- number of stones, scientists' proposed timeline (lol), etc. -- that was enough to immediately produce a paradigm shift in my own thinking. And that was without even taking into account the sheer _complexity_ of design and engineering of those structures, or of anything that came in later chapters.
Separately, Have you ever written up anything about your understanding of the relationship between what you discovered in Face On Mars and the truths of Christianity? Clearly, your ultimate conclusion is: "It doesn't change anything as far as our path to salvation." But I am curious as to if and how you interpret and fit in the extra-terrestrial beings within the orthodox Catholic understanding of God, creation, Christ's incarnation among specifically Earth-bound mankind, man's special role in God's eyes, etc.
For instance, are the ETs to be understood as "demons", "angels", some other group of species within ordinary creation? (I put demons and angels in scare quotes simply because it would sort of change our understanding of what those categories refer to or how they manifest in the world. And speaking of connections with Vox's work, in his debate with an atheist maybe ten years ago that was published as "On the Existence of the Gods" (plural), Vox made the point that, for all intents and purposes, any superior (more powerful, more effective, etc.) being can fit the definition of (lowercase g) gods, which was all he set out to prove in that debate.)
Anyway, I would be interested in learning what you see as any meaningful implications about the one (FOM) for the other (Christianity). I read Face on Mars several years ago, and I think there may have been a chapter towards the end of the revised edition that did some of that work but I will have to revisit it and in any case I recall feeling that it did not fully do what I am asking about here. Thank you!
I get asked that a lot and it’s partly one of the reasons I need to do a further update of TFOM. In essence though, my view can be summarised as “embrace the power of AND”.
Some old testament stories are clearly paralleled by older babylonian and assyrian “myths”. Lot’s story and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah certainly appears to be more in line with asteroid bombardment. And annunnaki and hindu vedas “mythologies” along with various other “legends” favour ancient astronauts theories.
That being said, demons are an absolutely real thing and they delight in chaos, confusion and deception. Add in also some shadow government advanced tech and the conclusion that other advanced alien races who have antigravity tech would also probably want to keep us planet bound, weak and ignorant, and you have it all:
* Actual ETs
* Actual demons pretending to be ETs
* advanced tech pretending to be either
* ETs pretending to be Earth tech or even demons
* Nephilim bloodlines being the pedo-vampires that rule the world and so on.
None of which changes the fact that Catholicism is true and Jesus is Lord.
And I genuinely don’t know why the above seems to be difficult for people to reconcile, or perhaps keep in their mind all at once. I just don’t see the issue.
That was an excellent response as I too had the same question. I was wondering also what your take is on Adam and Eve. Do you believe they were genetically modified/manipulated?
Once again, you are dealing with Old Testament texts, and if you don’t understand the structure of that then you’re liable to take it as too literal/binary than is the reality if it.
The ancient hebrew it was written in is a language that has historical fact, allegory and metaphor all intertwined with each other even in the same sentence. It is difficult even for current speakers of Hebrew to differentiate what aspect is which because the language has also changed over time. I am no expert in it of course but understanding this is the case it becomes obvious that you will have historical events that are ancient (babylonian and assyrian and general Chaldean things) that have been mythologised in some cases, and metaphorised in others. After all the Egyptian Gods (and Kings) end up being the Greek ones changed by the effect of Chinese telephone over time, which are the same as the Greek ones, etc. So it’s a messy soup of history, legend, anecdotes, and metaphors, and allegories.
The El of the old testament appears to sometimes be the head of a space-faring advanced tech small band of “gods” and at other times the Father of the trinity. Which is why I take the OT with a pinch of salt and consider the book of Enoch relevant to it far more in the context of ancient alien astronauts and genetic manipulation than in the context of the New Testament which is far more straightforward and backed up by other writings of the time.
Thanks for the detailed response that makes a lot more sense. By the way, are you familiar with the American TV series Ancient Aliens. It came out long after your book and it talks a lot about what you do, I was just curious if you have an opinion on it.
Never watched it and mostly those programs are half-truth, half-retard, and half nonsense to throw people off and enstupidate the whole thing to make it a ridiculisation of the topic to keep everyone dumb.
I have a question for you: how do you align this origin story (that we are descended from aliens) with your Catholic faith (which sets the origin story with God)? I am very curious and also looking forward to reading your book.
I did not say there was any problem and I am surprised this is how you perceived my question. I am curious because my Catholic education pointed otherwise. Forget I asked.
Thank you for this article showing the interplay between your ideas and Vox's. Been intending to read through your book Believe! as well. Next decent paycheck I get, I'll snag the both of them. I presume Amazon is the ideal location for it? I want you to get the most profit out of it, and the pedovores the least.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-14179243/cia-docs-reveal-life-mars-pyramids.html
Thanks. It’s the usual plausible deniability via astral travel, etc, designed to (as usual) release some information while also letting it be possible to ridicule the whole concept.
astral travel… Christopher Gardner had some “woah!” things to say about the sarcophagi in the Egypt Pyramids on a recent Owen Benjamin livestream, you and readers might find interesting. (starting around 46m 30s) https://rumble.com/v73s1b2-owen-benjamin-live.html?start=2787
Yeaaahh, no thanks. A guy who drinks his own piss and a blasphemous, fake/grifter farmer are not what I would consider reliable on anything, much less anything that requires rigorous logic and objectivity, you know, like actual science.
TL;DL. Sarcophagi are not (and never were) tombs: they were isolation tanks, built over lakes of structured water, to allow travel (probably not physical) to distant stars. Is Gardner's contention — based on pattern recognition and intuition/inspired guesswork, AFAICT. I'm pretty sure I read something like this years ago, so Gardner's not the first.
Kurgan has a discussion of the Pyramids and the sarcophagi in "The Face On Mars."
I also have a video on it on YT. Gardner’s a grifter like Owen and both of them will say anything for a buck.
If you want to learn what the Pyramid was read Christopher Dunn’s book and Joseph Farrell’s trilogy on the Giza death star.
The link was in part 3 of a 3-part series on the fraud that is NASA and the ISS and other related matters by Dr Ferdinand Santos III. Quite entertaining and informative. https://open.substack.com/pub/unstabbinated/p/part-3-of-3-spacex-blue-origin-probability?r=395qbq&utm_medium=ios&shareImageVariant=overlay
One direct similarity in approach between Vox's takedown of TENS and your work in Face on Mars was the number crunching you did on the Egyptian pyramids in chapter one, or early in the book.
When you literally "did the math" on the construction of the pyramids -- number of stones, scientists' proposed timeline (lol), etc. -- that was enough to immediately produce a paradigm shift in my own thinking. And that was without even taking into account the sheer _complexity_ of design and engineering of those structures, or of anything that came in later chapters.
Separately, Have you ever written up anything about your understanding of the relationship between what you discovered in Face On Mars and the truths of Christianity? Clearly, your ultimate conclusion is: "It doesn't change anything as far as our path to salvation." But I am curious as to if and how you interpret and fit in the extra-terrestrial beings within the orthodox Catholic understanding of God, creation, Christ's incarnation among specifically Earth-bound mankind, man's special role in God's eyes, etc.
For instance, are the ETs to be understood as "demons", "angels", some other group of species within ordinary creation? (I put demons and angels in scare quotes simply because it would sort of change our understanding of what those categories refer to or how they manifest in the world. And speaking of connections with Vox's work, in his debate with an atheist maybe ten years ago that was published as "On the Existence of the Gods" (plural), Vox made the point that, for all intents and purposes, any superior (more powerful, more effective, etc.) being can fit the definition of (lowercase g) gods, which was all he set out to prove in that debate.)
Anyway, I would be interested in learning what you see as any meaningful implications about the one (FOM) for the other (Christianity). I read Face on Mars several years ago, and I think there may have been a chapter towards the end of the revised edition that did some of that work but I will have to revisit it and in any case I recall feeling that it did not fully do what I am asking about here. Thank you!
I get asked that a lot and it’s partly one of the reasons I need to do a further update of TFOM. In essence though, my view can be summarised as “embrace the power of AND”.
Some old testament stories are clearly paralleled by older babylonian and assyrian “myths”. Lot’s story and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah certainly appears to be more in line with asteroid bombardment. And annunnaki and hindu vedas “mythologies” along with various other “legends” favour ancient astronauts theories.
That being said, demons are an absolutely real thing and they delight in chaos, confusion and deception. Add in also some shadow government advanced tech and the conclusion that other advanced alien races who have antigravity tech would also probably want to keep us planet bound, weak and ignorant, and you have it all:
* Actual ETs
* Actual demons pretending to be ETs
* advanced tech pretending to be either
* ETs pretending to be Earth tech or even demons
* Nephilim bloodlines being the pedo-vampires that rule the world and so on.
None of which changes the fact that Catholicism is true and Jesus is Lord.
And I genuinely don’t know why the above seems to be difficult for people to reconcile, or perhaps keep in their mind all at once. I just don’t see the issue.
Thank you for the quick and on point response.
That was an excellent response as I too had the same question. I was wondering also what your take is on Adam and Eve. Do you believe they were genetically modified/manipulated?
Once again, you are dealing with Old Testament texts, and if you don’t understand the structure of that then you’re liable to take it as too literal/binary than is the reality if it.
The ancient hebrew it was written in is a language that has historical fact, allegory and metaphor all intertwined with each other even in the same sentence. It is difficult even for current speakers of Hebrew to differentiate what aspect is which because the language has also changed over time. I am no expert in it of course but understanding this is the case it becomes obvious that you will have historical events that are ancient (babylonian and assyrian and general Chaldean things) that have been mythologised in some cases, and metaphorised in others. After all the Egyptian Gods (and Kings) end up being the Greek ones changed by the effect of Chinese telephone over time, which are the same as the Greek ones, etc. So it’s a messy soup of history, legend, anecdotes, and metaphors, and allegories.
The El of the old testament appears to sometimes be the head of a space-faring advanced tech small band of “gods” and at other times the Father of the trinity. Which is why I take the OT with a pinch of salt and consider the book of Enoch relevant to it far more in the context of ancient alien astronauts and genetic manipulation than in the context of the New Testament which is far more straightforward and backed up by other writings of the time.
Thanks for the detailed response that makes a lot more sense. By the way, are you familiar with the American TV series Ancient Aliens. It came out long after your book and it talks a lot about what you do, I was just curious if you have an opinion on it.
Never watched it and mostly those programs are half-truth, half-retard, and half nonsense to throw people off and enstupidate the whole thing to make it a ridiculisation of the topic to keep everyone dumb.
And half evil lies.
And not good with fractions.
Haha, glad you said exactly what I was thinking. I saw an episode out of curiosity and you could tell they were all grifters.
I have a question for you: how do you align this origin story (that we are descended from aliens) with your Catholic faith (which sets the origin story with God)? I am very curious and also looking forward to reading your book.
What exactly is the issue you think exists? Because all I see with this is the typical Protestant absolutely TINY and BINARY idea of God.
So can you even articulate the problem you think exists fully ?
I did not say there was any problem and I am surprised this is how you perceived my question. I am curious because my Catholic education pointed otherwise. Forget I asked.
You are clearly mistaken on whatever you think “your Catholic education” told you. So I am curious:
1. Are you a Novus Ordo “Catholic”?
2. Are you a Protestant that thinks they know Catholicism?
In either case, I still see no issue at all that would make anyone think there is some kind of incongruence.
You are aware Thomas Aquinas considered aliens too, right?
Thank you for this article showing the interplay between your ideas and Vox's. Been intending to read through your book Believe! as well. Next decent paycheck I get, I'll snag the both of them. I presume Amazon is the ideal location for it? I want you to get the most profit out of it, and the pedovores the least.
The Face is only available on Amazon (as is the systema book) the others are cheaper here if you are ok with digital instead of paper.
https://payhip.com/EBOOKSBYGFILOTTO