I truly don't understand why people think God doesn't have rules. Yes, He loves us and wants us to choose salvation, but it has to be done on His terms, not ours. You have only to look at the rules He laid out for the proper handling of the Ark, and what happened when they ignored those rules, to see that God does not take it lightly when people try to skirt His rules. Why would He be any different to those who try to undermine His Sons sacrifice for us?
I think for love to truly be love there has to be an order/rule to it. Otherwise it just seems like apathy disguised as love. Much like so much "compassion" today is more just false compassion designed to make the feeler of it feel better about themselves.
Absolutely not. Most of the present and recent past "patriarchs" of the most public branch of the Russian Orthodox Church are members of the old KGB.
The only thing I will say about another, real, branch of the Russian Orthodox Church is that, as one of their own said, "....we were never with the Greeks...." which is at least that point in their favor.
Even so, you are a bunch of schismatics and as such also prone to heresy. No thanks.
Perhaps you are not a native English speaker which could make it, possibly, understandable that you would misinterpret my words to make you even so much as think that I would have anything whatever to do with your so-called "religion".
You might wish to find and read the book, "Russia's Catacomb Saints" subtitled, "Lives of the New Martyrs" by Dr. Ivan Andreyev...IFF you can find the early version that had not yet been "messed with" by some of your so-called "patriarchs".
You might learn something worthwhile from that book.
Just return to Holy Orthodoxy. After all its clear its Protestant Germanics and Anglo-Saxons who actually follow your conception of Roman Law by throwing out any canon law they please, including Nicea. And that's where your conception will take you. Abandon that silly conception and submit to the true church, the Holy Orthodox Church!
You are too stupid to comment here. You literally haven't understood the basic point of Roman Law at all and your comment demonstrates you have the IQ of tapioca, which is why you are a moronic schismatic. Don't comment here again unless you wish to be banned and blocked permanently.
The Catholic church lost apostolic succession due to the Vatican II ordination right. But we Anglicans still use a pre-Vatican II ordination rite in the 1662 BCP so our orders are valid. Come home.
All you can do is call people retards and block them because you have no pope. You are like a Jehovahs Witness larping as Catholic due to your Sede schism.
All you can do is ask pointless questions that have already been outlined in the blogs and books written. You are looking for some kind of ah-ha moment for special boi points and it's not going to happen. Stay in your lane because you are being bypassed at this time.
The last known and accepted one, Pacelli (Pius XII) died in 1958. SOME of us also believe that Cardinal Giuseppe Siri of Genoa was validly elected in the 1958 conclave. He died in 1989. Some other very few of us believe that Archbishop Arrigo Pintonello was Siri's successor. He died a few years later. HE also indicated that HIS successor was to be in Russia. But most of us are not certain. Even so, we await God's desires in this matter. In any case, the jackasses, Roncalli, Montini, through "Frankie" are/were all antipopes. And although this last is clear to some of us, it will be made clear to all in God's good time.
Some modern Pope eons after the respective schism says Eastern Orthodox and Anglican orders are not valid and Cathtards think either one of those will care. Lol. The Anglican bro was right that you guys are as dumb as JWs and I will add Mormons to that.
Pope Leo XIII put paid to that idiotic statement. Your "orders" (Anglican) are totally invalid. Oh! Wait! Your "leaders" won't accept Leo's investigation and conclusion. Of course.
According to whose authority? Yours? Lessee now: Christ told us (paraphrase), "...I will be with you until the end of the world." So, He completely left us until your protestant heretics "rescued" us some 400 years later? That makes Christ a liar. Not logical and not true.
"Please explain how a Christian becomes a Christian if only a Christian can baptise."
A previous Christian baptizes them.
"In fact… how can Christians even exist? Since the first baptism must have been done by someone unbaptised"
John the Baptist, whom God sent to baptize.
"and we know the first baptism wasn’t done by Jesus"
This, in fact, means all Christians have apostolic succession back to John the Baptist, hence why you should become a Baptist.
"If ANYONE can bless ANYTHING at ANY time, why even have Protestant pastors?"
Somebody has to get up and give the sermon.
"If Sacraments don’t exist, why have one presiding over things like weddings?"
Marriage is not "distributed." The guy originally being repsonded to said its literally in the gospel that Jesus only authorized the apostles to "distribute" the sacraments, and he infers there must be successors to do so. But your example of a sacrament is a wedding, which is not even "distributed" anyway, so you fail.
"Explain why you need to bless the bread and wine. Where did Jesus tell his Apostles they need to bless anything?"
Its in Paul, the one true apostle, the only apostle that matters after 70 AD when the Jerusalem church was destroyed for its attempt to be communist, in 1 Cor 11.
"In fact explain what a blessing is."
Its praying like "God bless this bread..."
"And is in fact mentioned in the Bible that others (Simon Magus) tried to fool people into thinking he was too an apostle?"
That's not in the Bible, but some mythology made up by the Ebionite sect who identified Paul with Simon Magus and wrote treatises putting Paul's doctrine in Simon Magus' mouth and having Peter oppose it. In the Bible, Simon Magus was claiming to be the great power of God, before Christianity came to Samaria, and then he was converted. He subsequently tried to buy the ability to pass on speaking in tongues and such, and was rebuffed, but he repented. The church fathers took the weird Ebionite attacks on Paul and continued them because they also were Judaizers and invented this elaborate mythology that all heresies come from him somehow, which is just goofy and laughable, and shows they had no good arguments against their opponents so resorted to such nonsense. Of course their arguments were failures because they come from the communist apostles who failed and are arguments aimed against Paul, God's One True Apostle.
And that alone is enough to prove you are an idiot, a liar, a sophist and talking complete shit from start to end, your comment is left here to prove what kind of vermin you are to others. And has been screenshotted too. You on the other hand are now banned.
Most Protestant Churchians have no understanding. God bless them, they are sheep. I know MPAI: they are frequently tedious, which is why I live in a small village.
You are correct. All human institutions go corrupt over time. That includes the Anglican Church my wife grew up in and the Presbyterian church I was raised in. It also includes the Novus Ordo churches with massive posters of the Dead Pope and nor much of Christ.
My conclusion, after reading a lot, is that all our human attempts to understand -- which is a good thing to so -- are flawed. The mathematical model is not the map and the map is not the terrain.
We know the promises of God are true. Everything elseihas to be tested. And in this fallen world, we may be meeting two or three at a time. The church has done this before. We will be doing it again.
Some Fathers of the Church interpret Christ's words, "...and there will be one fold and one shepherd..." to mean that at the end of the world there will be one very small flock of believers and one simple priest and the rest of the world will be apostate. I shudder to think this could be so, but man is so damned corruptible it makes sense.
I truly don't understand why people think God doesn't have rules. Yes, He loves us and wants us to choose salvation, but it has to be done on His terms, not ours. You have only to look at the rules He laid out for the proper handling of the Ark, and what happened when they ignored those rules, to see that God does not take it lightly when people try to skirt His rules. Why would He be any different to those who try to undermine His Sons sacrifice for us?
I think for love to truly be love there has to be an order/rule to it. Otherwise it just seems like apathy disguised as love. Much like so much "compassion" today is more just false compassion designed to make the feeler of it feel better about themselves.
Well said.
God gave us the The Ten Commandments. They are rules. Virtuous free will (Do as Thou will) is impossible without them.
Absolutely not. Most of the present and recent past "patriarchs" of the most public branch of the Russian Orthodox Church are members of the old KGB.
The only thing I will say about another, real, branch of the Russian Orthodox Church is that, as one of their own said, "....we were never with the Greeks...." which is at least that point in their favor.
Even so, you are a bunch of schismatics and as such also prone to heresy. No thanks.
Perhaps you are not a native English speaker which could make it, possibly, understandable that you would misinterpret my words to make you even so much as think that I would have anything whatever to do with your so-called "religion".
You might wish to find and read the book, "Russia's Catacomb Saints" subtitled, "Lives of the New Martyrs" by Dr. Ivan Andreyev...IFF you can find the early version that had not yet been "messed with" by some of your so-called "patriarchs".
You might learn something worthwhile from that book.
Just return to Holy Orthodoxy. After all its clear its Protestant Germanics and Anglo-Saxons who actually follow your conception of Roman Law by throwing out any canon law they please, including Nicea. And that's where your conception will take you. Abandon that silly conception and submit to the true church, the Holy Orthodox Church!
You are too stupid to comment here. You literally haven't understood the basic point of Roman Law at all and your comment demonstrates you have the IQ of tapioca, which is why you are a moronic schismatic. Don't comment here again unless you wish to be banned and blocked permanently.
The Catholic church lost apostolic succession due to the Vatican II ordination right. But we Anglicans still use a pre-Vatican II ordination rite in the 1662 BCP so our orders are valid. Come home.
Nonsense.
1. You are heretics
2. The Catholic Church continues as it always did.
3. The Novus Ordo “Church” is not the Catholic Church, just one of your own Satanic Protestant demon-animations.
Right on, Good Man.
Where's your Pope?
Are you completely retarded? Oh wait. Yes. Yes you are. And illiterate too. Now go away. One more comment and you will be banned and blocked
All you can do is call people retards and block them because you have no pope. You are like a Jehovahs Witness larping as Catholic due to your Sede schism.
All you can do is ask pointless questions that have already been outlined in the blogs and books written. You are looking for some kind of ah-ha moment for special boi points and it's not going to happen. Stay in your lane because you are being bypassed at this time.
The last known and accepted one, Pacelli (Pius XII) died in 1958. SOME of us also believe that Cardinal Giuseppe Siri of Genoa was validly elected in the 1958 conclave. He died in 1989. Some other very few of us believe that Archbishop Arrigo Pintonello was Siri's successor. He died a few years later. HE also indicated that HIS successor was to be in Russia. But most of us are not certain. Even so, we await God's desires in this matter. In any case, the jackasses, Roncalli, Montini, through "Frankie" are/were all antipopes. And although this last is clear to some of us, it will be made clear to all in God's good time.
Russia, lol. So Putin is your pope now eh.
Don't be any more of an idiot than you obviously already are. No. But, one of the best places to hide from the enemy is in his own house.
You admit then that the Ecumenical Patriatch of Moscow is the true Pope. Come home to Holy Orthodoxy!!!!
Your orders are not valid. Pope Leo XIII declared it so in Apostolicae Curae.
I understand you, being an Anglican, do not believe this. That does not change reality.
And come home, to what? Where I live, the Anglicans had a female “pastor” in their Palm Sunday procession. Thank you but no.
Some modern Pope eons after the respective schism says Eastern Orthodox and Anglican orders are not valid and Cathtards think either one of those will care. Lol. The Anglican bro was right that you guys are as dumb as JWs and I will add Mormons to that.
Good job with your lol. Very convincing.
Pope Leo XIII put paid to that idiotic statement. Your "orders" (Anglican) are totally invalid. Oh! Wait! Your "leaders" won't accept Leo's investigation and conclusion. Of course.
According to whose authority? Yours? Lessee now: Christ told us (paraphrase), "...I will be with you until the end of the world." So, He completely left us until your protestant heretics "rescued" us some 400 years later? That makes Christ a liar. Not logical and not true.
See that? Right there? That's bait.
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Good bait too.
Great fisking. Thank you for taking the time to do it.
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"Please explain how a Christian becomes a Christian if only a Christian can baptise."
A previous Christian baptizes them.
"In fact… how can Christians even exist? Since the first baptism must have been done by someone unbaptised"
John the Baptist, whom God sent to baptize.
"and we know the first baptism wasn’t done by Jesus"
This, in fact, means all Christians have apostolic succession back to John the Baptist, hence why you should become a Baptist.
"If ANYONE can bless ANYTHING at ANY time, why even have Protestant pastors?"
Somebody has to get up and give the sermon.
"If Sacraments don’t exist, why have one presiding over things like weddings?"
Marriage is not "distributed." The guy originally being repsonded to said its literally in the gospel that Jesus only authorized the apostles to "distribute" the sacraments, and he infers there must be successors to do so. But your example of a sacrament is a wedding, which is not even "distributed" anyway, so you fail.
"Explain why you need to bless the bread and wine. Where did Jesus tell his Apostles they need to bless anything?"
Its in Paul, the one true apostle, the only apostle that matters after 70 AD when the Jerusalem church was destroyed for its attempt to be communist, in 1 Cor 11.
"In fact explain what a blessing is."
Its praying like "God bless this bread..."
"And is in fact mentioned in the Bible that others (Simon Magus) tried to fool people into thinking he was too an apostle?"
That's not in the Bible, but some mythology made up by the Ebionite sect who identified Paul with Simon Magus and wrote treatises putting Paul's doctrine in Simon Magus' mouth and having Peter oppose it. In the Bible, Simon Magus was claiming to be the great power of God, before Christianity came to Samaria, and then he was converted. He subsequently tried to buy the ability to pass on speaking in tongues and such, and was rebuffed, but he repented. The church fathers took the weird Ebionite attacks on Paul and continued them because they also were Judaizers and invented this elaborate mythology that all heresies come from him somehow, which is just goofy and laughable, and shows they had no good arguments against their opponents so resorted to such nonsense. Of course their arguments were failures because they come from the communist apostles who failed and are arguments aimed against Paul, God's One True Apostle.
Simon Magus is in Acts 8:9-24.
And that alone is enough to prove you are an idiot, a liar, a sophist and talking complete shit from start to end, your comment is left here to prove what kind of vermin you are to others. And has been screenshotted too. You on the other hand are now banned.
Most Protestant Churchians have no understanding. God bless them, they are sheep. I know MPAI: they are frequently tedious, which is why I live in a small village.
You are correct. All human institutions go corrupt over time. That includes the Anglican Church my wife grew up in and the Presbyterian church I was raised in. It also includes the Novus Ordo churches with massive posters of the Dead Pope and nor much of Christ.
My conclusion, after reading a lot, is that all our human attempts to understand -- which is a good thing to so -- are flawed. The mathematical model is not the map and the map is not the terrain.
We know the promises of God are true. Everything elseihas to be tested. And in this fallen world, we may be meeting two or three at a time. The church has done this before. We will be doing it again.
Some Fathers of the Church interpret Christ's words, "...and there will be one fold and one shepherd..." to mean that at the end of the world there will be one very small flock of believers and one simple priest and the rest of the world will be apostate. I shudder to think this could be so, but man is so damned corruptible it makes sense.